Unseen Worlds Pt.4
JOB 1:8-12
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? (The book of Job opens up with two worlds being shown to us – and at some stage after all the suffering of Job had ended, the writer of the book of Job is given access to see into this unseen world)
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. (This conversation is taking place in a world that is unseen to the natural human eyes, but yet it’s a world that is just as real as this world is)
12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Satan had obtained permission from God to afflict Job – to vent his demonic anger out on him, but the reality was that Satan was only a tool in God’s hand that God would use in a controlled way for the purpose of a season of suffering upon Job’s life, because there is a portion of suffering allotted to every man that is born of a woman, in that man is of few days upon this earth, and his days are to be full of trouble.
*But this portion of trouble and suffering that we experience in this life, we are told that it is not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be reveal in us in the eternal life that is to come.
ROMANS 8:18
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
(Paul understands that in this life we will experience suffering)
I PETER 5:10
10 ¶ But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
(Suffering will have an end. Struggling will have an end. Sorrow and death will have an end.)
Unseen Worlds Pt.4
I SAMUEL 28:16-19 (This is where the witch of Endor had called up the spirit of Samuel at the request of king Saul)
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? (King Saul had failed to carry out the commandment of the Lord, and now the Lord had become his enemy because we see how Saul acted toward David by trying to stop the prophecy of God coming to pass concerning David becoming the next king, and how that Saul even murdered the priests of the Lord)
17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.
19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
But we notice how that Saul had become an enemy to God – his days were full of trouble right to the very end of his life, but when it came time for him to depart into the next world, he went to same place of where Samual was.
*It’s like with the Jewish people who were responsible for killing Christ (“let His blood be on us and our children” they cried), but when they were revealed under the 5th seal, we find out that they were saved – and this is why we can never truly judge a person’s destiny of their position in the next world by their actions and their troubles in this world.
Last week we read this scripture:
ROMANS 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
*When you think that things are all going wrong, then you can be sure that there is nothing going wrong, because all the wrongs in the world and in your life are all going to work out for the good for the believer, because everything in your life has been preplanned and allowed by God for some reason for your advancement and spiritual growth – it is just that we misinterpret the things that happen to us because of the fact that we cannot see the end from the beginning like God does.
*Everything that happens to us along the pathway of our earthly life is all designed and preplanned and governed by God for the purpose of bringing us into a maturity and a knowledge of our purpose and relationship with God and with one another, and so God is determined to bring you to an expected end of a good outcome at the end of your life’s journey – because even Saul who had become an enemy of God made it to where Samuel was on the other side.
*And so when we face trials and suffering in this life, it’s not that God is punishing us, but it’s a part of the process of the journey of this life of the season of growth that we are in.
*The goldsmith is not trying to break the gold by beating it, but he is purging it from the iron pyrite and all the fake stuff that is not gold, and so he is beating it knowing that it cannot break. But when he is finished with it, then he is able to see his own reflection in the gold - because gold represents deity.
29 ¶ For whom he did foreknow (our pre-existence in the mind of God), he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Paul speaks of three separate dispensations of three worlds - the world of our pre-existence, then the world of our earthly journey, and then the world of our eternal destination.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Three worlds – our pre-existence world, and then our earthly journey world of trials and struggles and troubles, and then our future eternal destination of the worlds of power and glory.
**There has been an advancing evolution of a progression of scientific ideas about what is the fundamental thing that rules all other fundamentals.
*When scientists first discovered the atom back in the early 1800’s, they thought that atoms were the fundamental building blocks of what all matter is made from, but then as time went on and more discoveries were made, they came to find out that matter was actually like pockets of condensed energy, or what some call fragments of energy - others use the term “quantum fields”.
* Albert Einstein's famous equation of (E=mc2) states that energy and mass are interchangeable with (E - Energy) being equal to (m - mass) multiplied by (c - the speed of light) squared, which basically means that mass can be converted into energy, and energy into mass - they are interchangeable in that they are just two forms of the same thing.
This relationship between mass and energy is known as the mass-energy equivalence. It’s now a very well proven fact that a very small amount of mass can be converted into a tremendous amount of energy because this is how nuclear power and nuclear weapons work, by the conversion of matter into energy.
*But the knowledge of man has been ever increasing over the decades since the 1800’s, and his thinking about how that atoms are the fundamental building blocks of all things shifted to the idea that energy, or these quantum fields were now the fundamental foundation of all things.
*But now his understanding has even advanced again in that he has discovered an even greater fundamental of all things, and that is the fundamental of information.
*And so for many scientists and thinkers, information became the next level up of what was being considered as the fundamental of all fundamentals.
*But now he has shifted his focus to a higher stage of where some are now seriously considering the possibility of consciousness as a being the fundamental of all things – the thoughts of a conscious mind.
HEBREWS 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
The Bible tells us that faith is the fundamental of all things – and faith abides in the spirit realm.
**Out of consciousness comes thoughts, and out of thoughts comes information, and out of information comes these quantum fields, and out of quantum fields comes atoms, and atoms make the physical matter of all the things that we see of the stars and planets and all of the creation that is upon the earth, and even you and me.
**But it all began with the thoughts of a conscious mind – of the mind and thoughts of God.
*And so this is what some scientists are now beginning to realize and to understand as to what is the absolute fundamental of all created things.
*And this is what the bible has been telling us all along, that the fundamental of all things of where everything comes out from is the word of God that came from the mind and thoughts of God – from the thought of God to the spoken word of God, and then from the spoken word into tangible creation and flesh.
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29 If we would think, this is the very earth that we're living on, this morning, is the Word of God. That tree is the Word of God. And you, your body, is the Word of God. God spoke it into existence like that, made it from nothing…
The nothing was the thoughts of God which were spirit and not material, and those thoughts were then spoken and became the word of God, and then out of that word came the things of the material of what we see around us in this world. And now even science is beginning to acknowledge this – but we have been told this in the bible already.
JOHN 1:1-3
1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Remember that a word is simply a thought expressed - from thought, to word, to flesh.
But thoughts cannot exist without consciousness, and so out of this fundamental state of the consciousness of the spirit of God came the thoughts of God, and then out of these thoughts came the expression of those thoughts in word form, and then out of the spoken word of God came everything that we see today of what we call material – and that is why a prophet of God told us that everything that we see around us in this world is the word of God manifested.
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53 God's Word produces the sunshine. God's Word produces the earth. God's Word produces the air. Everything is the Word of God made manifest, everything that's got a reality to it.
We are speaking on the subject of unseen worlds, and so if God can think and speak and create this world as a real place – then this also applies to other real worlds that we cannot see of where we came from and where we are going to – this is why the bible talks about how that the WORLDS were framed by the word of God (Hebrews 11:3).
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67 In God's own thinking; God, the great Spirit. In the beginning, before there was a beginning, He was God, and did you know you were in Him then? If you are a Christian now, you was in Him then. (He is speaking of your pre-existence)
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67 …God dwelt alone with His thoughts. He'll never do that again 'cause His thoughts are being made manifest. And that's why we are right here, this day... is God fellowshipping with His thoughts, being made manifest..
This is why we are here today, because we existed back there in God’s great eternal thoughts – and that is why the elected of God that are chosen to be a part of His bride category, they are identified in each age by their ability to respond to and recognize the word of God for their day.
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33 …So those which are in Christ was in Christ at the beginning, that was His thoughts, and His thoughts is His attributes.
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79 … the Life that's in you never did begin and It never can end. Think of it. It can't end, because anything that's Eternal never began. The Life that's in you never did begin, that is, if you've got Eternal Life. And that's God, for you was in His thought from the Eternal, and now it's expressed here in a human being, for His glory. Jesus came to redeem that, being the Son, the fulness of God had to come and become that. The sinless character of God did that, that He might redeem these other thoughts that was to come to Him, to make a Wife. See what I mean? Oh, it's a glorious story!
**Consciousness is spirit, and God is a spirit, and without consciousness there would be no purpose or reason for anything to exist because there would simply be no one to observe it. And so this power to observe with a conscious mind is a very powerful and fundamental thing.
And this is what some scientists think of how the double slit atom experiment works – because things literally change when they are observed by the conscious mind of an observer.
*If you fire atoms through the double slits and don’t observe them going through the slits, then they will show a wave pattern, but if you do observe them, then they will show a striped pattern corresponding to the two slits of what you would logically think that they would show – in other words, they change their behavior upon being detected by an observer’s consciousness.
If you ever get the chance to study into this double slit phenomenon – it is quite incredible to the point of being supernatural.
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***This subject of unseen worlds can be applied to a vast range of different meanings and concepts.
For example - A new born baby is born into a world of innocence, not that they are born in into a world of innocence as in that the world that they are born into is an innocent world, but they are born innocent at the beginning of their life’s journey – a world of like what Adam and Eve lived in before the fall in that they knew no sin. And so all of us started this life as babies, and so all babies begin their life in a dispensation of innocence for the first part of their life – but it’s not long before they leave that world and go into another world.
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113 Now notice what's happened. In the garden of Eden was God's economy of innocence, and that was one of the--the dispensations. The first dispensation was innocent, the people knowed no sin. They didn't know anything about sin. (They lived in a world of where they were completely unconscious of sin – and this condition will be a part of the world that we are to go back to)
**There are 7 main recognized scriptural dispensations spoken of in the bible that span the course of man’s history since the Garden of Eden
**And they are: Innocence – Conscience – Human Government – Promise – Law – Grace - and the future Kingdom.
- Innocence: From creation to the Fall of Adam and Eve, man lived in an innocent state in the Garden of Eden.
- Conscience: From the Fall until the Flood, humans were responsible for their actions based on their conscience.
- Human Government: After the Flood, God gave humanity the responsibility to govern the earth.
- Promise: From Abraham to Moses, God's dealings were based on the promises He made to Abraham and his descendants.
- Law: From Moses until the death of Jesus, God dealt with Israel through the Mosaic Law.
- Grace: From the death of Christ on the cross, God is dealing with humanity based on grace and not of works.
- Kingdom: This future dispensation after Christ’s return to earth for the millennial reign.
*This pattern of humanity over the past 6,000 years is also similar to the pattern of an individual’s life of their earthly journey from the cradle to the grave.
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105 …The dispensations change with Jesus Christ: from the law to grace, from works unto grace, from something you do to what something God did, upon your own merits or upon His merits. It changed.
So these are all different dispensational periods or worlds of conditions that apply to each period of the unfolding times of history, – just like we are told that we are in a world that is called Satan’s Eden, of where the scriptures tell us that Satan would be the God of this last evil age.
II CORINTHIANS 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
**There was the antediluvian world that existed before the flood of Noah of where the people of that age were blinded to a prophet that God had sent to the elect of that day.
*Then there was the post antediluvian world after the flood.
***Because the books of the bible are like members of the human body growing up into full maturity, and this is why we call it the body word because out of the pages of the bible come the elected people of God – of the manifested body of his sons and daughters.
Isaiah is 66 chapters of the complete bible in miniature form, and the bible is 66 books, and so all of the books of the bible fit together and relate to each other in order to reveal the one great body mystery of the full image and manifestation of God. And for 6000 years, man has been in a condition of a fallen state of troubles and trials and sufferings and death.
Opening scriptures:
ROMANS 8:18
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
I PETER 5:10
10 ¶ But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
*When we look at the pattern of Joseph’s life from his father’s house, and then to the prison house of suffering, and then finally to Pharaoh’s house of glory and honor of where he remained and ruled and reigned for the rest of his days - we have come to know by the opening of the word in these last days, that Joseph’s life was showing us a mystery concerning our human life, of our pre-existence in the thoughts of God of where we dwelt in our Father’s house, and then our earthy journey of this life right now, and then our future life of the fullness of our eternal home of where we will rule and reign throughout all eternity.
*And then we see the same thing with Job’s life - from the father’s house of where he dwelt before he was born into the world from the womb of his mother.
*And then his earthly journey of where he would experience suffering for a season in a world that had fallen from its original condition of Eden, and of were death and disease and pain and suffering were present.
*And then to his future home in the future kingdom of God that is to come.
And so this book of Job shows us these three stages also.
JOB 19:25-26
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Job is speaking of his future life after he has finished the course of his life on earth.
*And so the bible is showing us that there are three stages of our life also, of our pre-existence, and then our earthly journey, and then our eternal destination.